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russky 18 ( +1 | -1 )
is it ok to demand a draw? i am in a game currently where i was offered a draw. i replied that yes it seemed like a draw, but that i wanted to play it out for practice. i got the following reply "no its a draw.".


any advice?
cuthbert 17 ( +1 | -1 )
:-) if you think it's worth playing on - just do it... but make sure you do not annoy your opponent ;-)

Cuthbert
gramario 14 ( +1 | -1 )
The Board? Depends on whether the draw is forced or not. It also depends on both players' levels and knowledge. I see no reason not to play it out for practice, however.
judokausa 28 ( +1 | -1 )
forced draw. there is no such thing. In addition it is excellent practice to play out draws. At the master level it seems that doing so might be considered rude but there is no reason not too even at that level if you want too. message me the game? I am interested in this person's assessment.
caldazar 33 ( +1 | -1 )
No, it's not okay to demand or declare a draw. Unless the position is a stalemate, there is a three-time position repetition, there is insufficient material on the board to mate, or other such things, the most a player can do is offer.

A polite "No thank you; I wish to play on" is enough of a response, and you don't owe your opponent anything further.
tovmauzer 8 ( +1 | -1 )
Forced draw Is possible, even if we do not count theoretically drawn positions - forced stalemate.
premium_steve 37 ( +1 | -1 )
For Example: certain opposite color bishop endings at least in over-the-board serious rated games here in canada, i'm sure you can claim a draw legally in certain endgames (even when you are in time trouble!). if you can show the tournament director here that your opponent can make no progress in the game if you keep making certain moves, then it is a draw. something like that.
premium_steve 23 ( +1 | -1 )
in your situation... it is probably best for you to play on - no matter what your opponent says. unless maybe you trust him as a friend and a smart chess player. (but i know i'd never feel that way about a stranger ;) ).

caldazar 59 ( +1 | -1 )
premium_steve... This is the "Insufficient Losing Chances" rule. I'm not familiar with Canadian chess rules, but in the US, if (and only if) you are in time trouble in a sudden death time control, you may call over a TD to claim a draw on the grounds of insufficient losing chances. You are generally not allowed to plead your case. The TD can decide that your claim is valid and award the draw, that your claim is invalid and force you to play on with a time penalty imposed for making an improper claim, or that your claim is unclear and require you both to play on while the TD observes.
judokausa 10 ( +1 | -1 )
good point but doesn't really apply it is hard to justify time trouble in when you have days to move though. GRIN
tulkos 9 ( +1 | -1 )
by the way the board is---;-) board #626625
cpocf 2 ( +1 | -1 )
Play the game. Draw give me a break! No. Play the game!
premium_steve 10 ( +1 | -1 )
ah... i see that rule is most likely to be similar here in canada. thanks for clearing it up for me, caldazar :).
peet69 47 ( +1 | -1 )
I see here a draw. Russky, everbody has the right to play on. But in my opinion, this game is a never ending story, unless some of you make a very serious mistake. I think white has a slight advantage, but not enough to checkmate black (by the time there will be not enough material).
So, my advice : make this game a draw, unless you have the courage to play another 100 moves, and then to conclude that it will indeed be a draw.

Greetings,

Peter.
judokausa 50 ( +1 | -1 )
Interesting assessment I disagree peet69. GMs frequently play out rook endings until it is a known draw. There is a big difference between thinking something is a draw and proving it. I will withhold my assessment of the situation until after the game is decided. personally Playing out a game until it is draw due to position repetition, stalemate or lack of material can be very educational. I have been told by masters that when learning these endings you should always play them out for the experience.
ordinary_man 57 ( +1 | -1 )
I also disagree. One could say that every start of a chess game is a drawish, even position, so why play since it will likely end in a draw in 100 moves? Becasue you are hoping your opponent will make some mistake which will hand you an advantage, large or small. True, at this point in the endgame, the chances of a mistake are far slimmer, but until both players agree that there can be no progress made, they must play on! ...and you never know if and when that nasty blunder will pop up in the game and offer the opportunity for a win.
brankort 16 ( +1 | -1 )
i noticed that Rocky has 34% of his games drawn....so its my guess that he may ask for draws often and doesnt like playing endgames...its just a guess...i say...play on:)
cairo 15 ( +1 | -1 )
Gentlemen PLEASE don't discuss and ongoing game public!

Best wishes
Cairo
russky 51 ( +1 | -1 )
ordinary_man, brankort and cairo I absolutely agree with ordinary_man, and in fact I said to my opponent that I am likely to make a mistake. We play chess for the fun of it, not just to win. In regards to brankort (odd name) I noticed that as well, and one of his recent draws was declared a draw at a ridiculously early point in the game, so i also agree with you. CAIRO, i very much agree with you, but no moves are being discussed, nor position. Only the question wether the game should be played out is being asked here. Fair play is key.
atrifix 19 ( +1 | -1 )
The position is being discussed when you offer your advice on whether to accept or decline a draw. I agree with cairo, of course.
russky 71 ( +1 | -1 )
atrifix i think my original post was misunderstood. as i said i would like to play the game out, and was asking on advice to deal with this persons attitude, not for advice on how to play the game. he has since told me he is tired of chess, but yet he starts new games. However, i fail to see how having people say wether i should play on or not is cheating. if i take some people's advice and accept a draw, i do what my opponent wants (is that cheating?). if i take other people's advice and play it out like i always have, i risk losing the game (is that cheating?).
P.S. I have no intention of starting an argument, Im just asking for clarification. I would hate to be called a cheater just like anyone.
atrifix 60 ( +1 | -1 )
I don't think your original post was misunderstood, but simply the direction that the thread has taken, as to whether or not to accept a draw in your given position, shouldn't be discussed.

Of course, your opponent has no right to demand that you accept a draw unless the given cases of the 50-move rule, repitition, insufficient material, stalemate, etc. arise, and you're free to play any game out as long as you wish without being seen as a bad sportsman. There is no "insufficient winning chances" on GK, so you can play any position out until you're satisfied that it's a draw. I hope this answers your question :)
jasonpalm 33 ( +1 | -1 )
Whatever Russky! One time I was beating you in a game and you wouldn't let me go with your constant prattle about "drawing" the game. You were continually bombarding me with requests and taking forever to make your moves! Now you won't grant this poor guy the request that I had to finally concede to you just to end the annoyance?? Come on man!
russky 18 ( +1 | -1 )
Do I know you? Dear Mr. Palm, please refrain from derogatory remarks on this forum. This is not some kind of trash talk feature on a hockey pool or something.